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Visa & bus options from MVD to Bolivia sin Retiro B.A., ARThis forum post has messages dated from 01/16/12 through 02/27/12, please be sure to read all the messages. If you feel it is old or outdated, please follow up with a question or comment and someone may be able to update it, or reply with newer information if you have it.
| Visa & bus options from MVD to Bolivia sin Retiro B.A., AR Does anyone have knowledge as to the bus routes available from Montvideo to Bolivia (or Salta) without going through Buenos Aires ? Can I do it via Paysandu to Santa Fe, AR ? Are there reasonable options other than changing buses in Cordoba ? Visa requirements are also a consideration, esp. since itinerary and in-out transit tickets are supposed to be shown. I don't have a either, nor do I really want to buy a ticket if I don't know when I want to leave. This somewhat affects my deciding to obtain the visa in MVD or someplace closer to Bolivia (or even at the border). I thought that the consulate in Salta could be a better place to get the visa since I would have better knowledge about tickets for entry & exit. Anyone with a suggestion about how to go about this either for the bus or visa ? |
| "Bolivia"
You could go via Salto UY to Santa Fe, then North to Resistencia, then over to Salta. But once you are in Salta, what do you do? On my map, all the roads North are "minor roads" once you get into Bolivia. When I was younger, I did lots of the "minor road" stuff, but no more. Ah, youth! Good luck!The only ways I see with "good roads" are via Asuncion PY or Arica, (very Northern) Chile. As for the visa, that depends on your home country (where ya from, kid?). The in/out ticket stuff is only if you fly in. We landed in Paraguay, traveled by bus to Argentina, then flew into Uruguay. Nobody ever asked us to show a return ticket. And personally, I'd recommend getting your visa here so you know you have it. I wouldn't want to get to Salta and find the consulate is closed for two weeks for vacation or something. |
| "Salta to Chile"
According to Wikipedia, there are buses from Salta into Chile 6 days per week. |
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| "Wherewithall"
Are you serious ? Northern Argentina's highways into Bolivia are less than Paraguay's ? I would have thought it to be the opposite. Btw, I'm a US citizen. Can you or anyone say where and how much to obtain a yellow fever shot and certificate in Montevideo ? I'm also to obtain my first cedula soon which I'm wondering if I can use for crossing the S.American national frontiers ....or will I need to wait for the permanent residency card for that to work ? The reason for holding back on getting a visa in MVD is that I h'd have to show entry & exit bus tickets which don't seem so easy to find this far from Bolivia. I believe that Salta, AR would have more people & buses passing through it to my destination than from MVD. Thus having tickets in hand would be easier there, plus the consulate is there as well. Sure I'd like to know before leaving that all will work fine, but it isn't easy. I've even checked with travel agents, tour companies, bus lines, etc. It's almost shocking how many entities I've approached with such questions that one might think should be more resourceful ...but really don't seem to know much. |
| "Salta"
You said, "Are you serious ? Northern Argentina's highways into Bolivia are less than Paraguay's ? I would have thought it to be the opposite."By "less"do you mean "worse" or "fewer"? Yes, I was serious. Since you said you were going to Salta I thought you were trying to avoid Paraguay (and another visa). Which roads were you thinking of taking after Salta? |
| "Yellow Fever and cedula"
You get the yellow fever vaccination from the Ministry of Health at their office in the port. Their office is the furthest warehouse from the entrance. You enter the point like you are going to Buquebus, tell the guard you are getting a vaccination.When you walk back, you need to make sure you are on the right side of the fence which separates the warehouses from Buquebus. If you are on the left side (the buequbus side) you'll finds that when you get to the water you can't cross over and have to walk back. I think the cost is around $200 pesos (ie about 10 bucks). You probably can't use your intramite cedula as a travel document. You can't use your legal residence cedula as a travel document to enter countries that require a conslar visa, ie: Brazil or Paraguay. (unless of course it is a cedula issued by that country). Here is a link to a Mercosur document about travel documents, and it lists what documents can be used for travel to which countries. You can use your cedula to travel to more than just Mercosur countries. Thank Ana Ines for getting this document: Expert Page: Quick Tips for Getting Settled in Uruguay |
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| "Modernization"
I can't speak for the highways up that way because I haven't been on them... but... suggesting that someone has their work cut out to modernize the routes and boarders... addresses the "problem" from a US perspective nicely... but ignores the issue from a local perspective of whether or not there is even a problem.I also might add that people who have never been to Paraguay tend to have a very poor opinion of the country, infrastructure, safety, etc. The visa issues are of course a pain... and can be expensive. The first time I got a visa for Brazil, the travel agency printed out a ticket to Rio for some arbitrary date and said "take this to the consul to get your visa and then bring it back". Ie: they issued a 100% refundable ticket on their account just for the visa. You could do the same, but read the fine print, so be 100% sure you can refund the ticket. Might be a better idea with a bus ticket... I used to do that in Costa Rica... buy a $10 bus ticket to Nicaragua, so I had ticket out of the country if anyone asked... and I could change the date for free... Expert Page: Quick Tips for Getting Settled in Uruguay |
| "Getting to Bolivia"
Thank you Glen for those directions and the Mercosur info. Yes indeed Ana Ines has been instrumental as well as efficient. She gets a definite recommendation from me.Jerry, you could be right that the Argentina connected highways don't connect well enough to other parts of the country. I hope to get to La Paz and into Peru at some point, but wouldn't mind a stop over or two before La Paz like Sucre or Tarija. So I would want to know whatever bus lines cross that southern border on whichever highways they use and then decide what might work best for me if there are any choices involved. It wouldn't seem to make sense that people in Salta wanting to get to the latter (or southern )two cities would ride a bus through Chile or Paraguay unless that's what they wanted ...or that there was no other way to get there. Now if the highways really are terrible in this region, then of course this is even another consideration to ponder if it might be an issue. |
| "Please Post"
Whichever way you decide to go, please post a brief report when you get to La Paz so others can follow in your (footsteps (or bus tracks). |
| "Train in Bolivia"
Don't know if this helps, but there is a train from Yacuiba, Traija Prov., Bolivia to Santa Cruz, Fridays. |
| "Connections to Bolivia."
Stating that a connection through Paraguay into Bolivia is not the best idea does not imply that all the infrastructure in Paraguay is bad. Some times people know a small area of a country and asume the whole country is alike. That's not the case. The region north and west of the Paraguay river is much less populated and have much less infrustructure (by far) than the region South and East. Besides the neighbouring region of Bolivia is also less populated and lacking of infraestructure. Most of the communication between Paraguay and Bolivia is done through the Paraguay River and not by road. Instead, there is a continous string of cities and towns, and a complete infrastructure from Buenos Aires to La Paz. The infrastructe within Argentina is probably good to very good all the way to the border. Within Bolivia, this may not be true, but at least you will be saving half the way since you won't enter the country at its far SouthEast.So Chirs, you are right. That way is the best you can have. If you don't want to go through Buenos Aires, there are direct bus services from MVD to Córdoba and I'm sure you have services to Salta or directly to Bolivia from there. While there's very few Bolivians in Paraguay, there are houndreds of thousands living in Argentina, so I sure there's a frequent and eased trail all the way from Buenos Aires to La Paz. If I were you I'd try to solve the visa thing in MVD. Maybe you can have the required tickets from Cordoba or Salta through the web. |
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