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International Living; Residency Made Easy (in Uruguay)?


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06/30/10 08:23
Pocitos

International Living; Residency Made Easy (in Uruguay)?

Thank author of this post/commentI received an email from International Living yesterday and want to share a few experts from it and my comments. When they refer to "Lee" they are of course referring to Lee Harrison who writes for them, and not me!

International Living:

Lee was able to take care of his own residency applications—in Ecuador and Uruguay. He says the process was pretty straightforward and efficient.

Lee from Pocitos:

I can't comment on Ecuador, but I went through the process in Uruguay without an attorney or consultant, but my ex-wife was a native Spanish Speaker.

I don't think the process is either straightforward or efficient. It is not difficult, but requires a lot of running around and the legalization of documents can be a big hassle (and your are stuck with doing the process yourself even if you hire an attorney).

International Living:

In fact, as soon as you apply for residency in Uruguay, you get a special card that immediately gives you all the benefits of residency (like access to healthcare) while your application is processed.

Lee from Pocitos:

"special card". There is no "special card". There is just an Uruguayan ID, "Cedula". There are two types, a "en tramite" an in process version and a legal resident version. The only difference in the actual cards is whether they says "en tramite" or "residencia legal". Of course that reflects your actual legal status.

I received my "special card" around 22 months after I applied for residency! However, my ex-wife received hers the same day. The difference was that all her police checks were done and mine had to wait for Costa Rica. The Costa Rican check took 8 months... so the other 14 months of waiting was part of the inefficiency of the process.

Even without the card I had the benefits of residency, in that I was able to remain in Uruguay without leaving every 90 days.

That, and travel to MERCOSUR countries, I believe is the only direct "benefit" of residency. I've not heard of anyone being denied "healthcare" or anything else for not having a cedula.

The right to work may be another benefit.

International Living:

I’m going to use Uruguay as an example. As a legal resident of Uruguay, you have all the rights of a citizen except for the right to vote.

Lee from Pocitos:

After 10 years as a legal resident you also have the right to vote in Uruguay. Uruguay is one of the few countries that confers the right to vote to residents, although 10 years is a long wait.

International Living:

The process for obtaining residency is simple—it requires only a couple brief visits to the country…perhaps a few days total. Some people get residency on their own, while the majority of readers prefer to use an immigration attorney who can do the job “turn-key”.

Lee from Pocitos:

I've never heard of anyone doing it 100% turn-key, ie: taking your raw paper work and getting it legalized for you. I think the legalization of the papers is the most frustrating and complicated part for most people.

International Living:

More importantly, Uruguayan residency makes you eligible for the national healthcare system, so you’re able to use the “free system, ” or the low-cost “paid” system for an all-round better medical experience. For some, this benefit in itself would make it worthwhile to become a resident.

Lee from Pocitos:

Can someone explain this "free system" and "low cost paid" system?

International Living:

And the most significant benefit of obtaining legal residency in Uruguay is that you’ve started the clock ticking toward eligibility for a second passport…the best “insurance policy” of all. In Uruguay, you’re eligible after a period of three to five years, depending on your personal situation. I’m eligible now, in fact, and intend to apply. My attorney tells me it’s easy…with no test.

Lee from Pocitos:

I tend to agree, and certainly the requirements for citizenship listed in the Constitution are "easy, " but they do have a "test" of sorts which converts the whole process into one that is neither straightforward or efficient.

International Living:

The most-unusual aspect of Uruguay is that there’s no actual in-country time requirement to become a resident…or to maintain your status. In other words, you can be a legal resident without actually living here.

Lee from Pocitos:

This would tend to contradict "starting the clock" toward a second passport, as the citizenship requirements do require you spend time here. Of course, why do you want to be a resident or citizen of someplace "just in case" if you have no idea what it is like living there?

And, you do need to spend time in Uruguay:

From Ley 18.250:

"CANCELACIÓN DE LA RESIDENCIA Y DE LA PERMANENCIA"

"C) La persona con residencia permanente que se ausentare del país por un plazo superior a tres años."

Which roughly translates to being absent for more than 3 years can (will?) cancel your permanent residency.

Now, I am not trying to be negative about anyone looking for residency or citizenship in Uruguay. I think it is a great place to live. But, that I believe is the key... LIVING HERE!

You should be interested in Uruguay because you want to live here, and want to come and explore first. I often find the International Living's writings to emphasize things in a manner that lead too many to feelings of disappointment.

Usually with respect to cost of living, but this email gives me the idea that someone can pop into Uruguay for a couple days, get residence, health care, leave for 5 years and return to get citizenship and a passport, just to leave again and without any hint of frustration in the whole process.

Wouldn't that be a a grand world.

How do you feel about living in Uruguay? How about International Living's writings about Uruguay?


Comment #1
06/30/10 14:03
Rural east Colonia departmento
Thank author of this post/comment"International Living... just hot air."

After several years watching them I've come to believe that there is a better than evens change that anything published by International Living will be wrong :-)

The immigration process took me just over a year and involved a refusal after 3 months because a funcionario misread one of the submitted documents. Correcting the funcionario's error involved four fun-filled days finding and persuading three senior funcionarios to interview the junior funcionario, read the document and issue certificates attesting that the junior funcionario had made a mistake. Not exactly "pretty straightforward and efficient"... the very idea of an efficient ROU funcionario is an oxymoron :-)

"In fact, as soon as you apply for residency in Uruguay, you get a special card that immediately gives you all the benefits of residency (like access to healthcare) while your application is processed."

I'd have to say complete twaddle. I joined my local mutualista (health co-op) using my passport as ID before I submitted my immigration application. As part of the documentation which needs to be submitted to immigration, it is necessary to get a tetanus jab and a card saying when and where the jab took place. Here in Valdense the jab is done for free at the local free clinic before you even apply for residency. As for some card you are supposed to get while your application is "en tramite, " I've never seen nor heard of such a thing. All I got was a little paper receipt.

Once your application has been submitted you no longer need the 90 day visas. OTOH you do need to buy chitties from immigration each time you wish to leave and return to the ROU.

Once immigration is finally finished with you and has approved your application, they don't give you your cedula. Instead they give you a certificado de llegada which you have to take along with various documents to the direccion nacional de identificacion civil who will photograph and fingerprint you before finally issuing you with a cedula valid for 3 years.

Nowadays I get free mutualista membership but only because I'm a unipersonalized small farmer who pays BPS contributions... nothing to do with immigration.

"And the most significant benefit of obtaining legal residency in Uruguay is that you’ve started the clock ticking toward eligibility for a second passport…the best “insurance policy” of all. In Uruguay, you’re eligible after a period of three to five years, depending on your personal situation. I’m eligible now, in fact, and intend to apply. My attorney tells me it’s easy…with no test."

A wonderful document which will entitle you to pay wealth tax on all your assets world-wide... just what most ex-pats want I don't think :-)

"Now, I am not trying to be negative about anyone looking for residency or citizenship in Uruguay. I think it is a great place to live. But, that I believe is the key... LIVING HERE!"

Spot on Lee. In my experience ANY interaction with ROU funcionarios will probably be complex, slow and teeth-grindingly inefficient. Its something that has to be done if you really want to live here but considering the many hours and the high degree of nnnggghhhhh!!! involved, its probably easier for a person in search of a second passport to buy one from a lesser known state. You used to be able to buy citizenship from the Friendly Islands for 7.5k U$S.


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Comment #2
06/30/10 16:00
Montevideo, Uruguay
Thank author of this post/comment"about health "free system""

To apply you need to show you can´t afford it. In the past we used to call it "carné de pobre".

I don´t think that you can go to migration office and ask for residency on the base that you can support yourself, and then go to the Ministry of Health and show you don´t have a minimum income.

Unless it is an emergency and you are in risk, they are not going to received you at any medical institution (public or private) if you don´t pay for it or show your "carné de pobre".

For having this special "carné", you also need to do some paper work. It is for real poor people... so you will not apply if you live in pocitos, unless you really live in "the" street.

Expert Page: Expat UY; Relocation and Expat Assitance


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Comment #3
06/30/10 16:03
Montevideo, Uruguay
Thank author of this post/comment"about citizenship"

You need to demostrate you are settle here for at least 3 years.

Expert Page: Expat UY; Relocation and Expat Assitance


Comment #4
07/01/10 13:25
Miami
Thank author of this post/comment"Travel to Mercosur Countries"

Travel to MERCOSUR countries was listed as advantage of having permanent residency in Uruguay.

I know MERCOSUR countries include Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Uruguay.

With a USA passport I need a visa to enter Brazil but not Argentina or Uruguay. In all 3 countries I may only stay for 90 days without getting an extension. However with permanent residency in Uruguay I may stay in Uruguay for the rest of my life if I desire. But does the permanent residency in Uruguay allow me to stay in other MERCOSUR countries for more than 90 days?

If so, for how long? Does anyone know?

I have business interests in Brazil and Chile so this would be advantageous for me.

Thanks,

Tom from Miami


Comment #5
07/01/10 20:26
Sean Williamson

"My Experience of the Residency Process"

I am just waiting to pick up my temporary cedula, having got to this stage of the process after about three months of waiting for documents from the UK and then getting them translated authorised etc. My spanish is basic but I was helped by a spanish speaker at two key parts of the process.

I wanted to post this to give hope to anyone going through the same process, it is possible, does take time and a lot of patience and a little bit of cash for all the fees and charges along the way, not mega, for me around 400 UK pounds. It can be done if needed with limited Spanish, some help and lots of smiling.If anyone needs any more help or information then please let me know. Main benefits as already pointed out are not having to worry about leaving and coming back and it does make it possible and easier to work and as Lee mentions allows you to sit back and enjoy living in the country which is what it is all about.


Comment #6
07/26/10 13:27
Rasel

"Candidate"

can anyone advice where I must start processing or contacting to apply for Uruguay immigration/permanent res. Thx

Comment #7
07/26/10 13:49
Pocitos
Thank author of this post/comment"Uruguay Expat Ebook"

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Comment #8
07/30/10 14:22
Montevideo
Thank author of this post/comment"The cost of residency"

The process is generally straight-forward if you know where you need to go, what to bring, where to get the right documents, etc. That's not to say that everything will always go to plan. Delays may arise, mis-spellings can complicate the process, your proof of ingresos may require more documentation (or re-thinking) etc., but there is no need for high-powered (and expensive) legal help 95% of the time.

Here's a quick review of the costs of applying for residency:

Cost of getting your birth/marriage certificates certified at one of the regional Uruguayan consulates in the U.S. $42 per document (plus shipping)

Cost of legalizing (in Uruguay) the certified document: 160 pesos

Cost of translating the certified & legalized document with seal: 700 pesos

Cost of declaration of income/means with seal(prueba de ingresos) from a notary: 800 pesos

Cost of Health Card (for residency, "apta para radicación"): 570 pesos + one photograph

Cost to have background check forms with fingerprints prepared at Interpol: 0. Money order or certified check for the F.B.I. : $18 + mailing costs for sending forms and fingerprint cards to the F.B.I. Plus return postage.

+2 photographs per adult/1 per minor child

+photocopies of everything

These are the costs associated with preparing to apply for your residency at Immigrations: U$166.00 plus postage, photos and copies.

The immigration application itself is another $45.

Later, getting your cedula involves several additional steps and minor processing costs.

Hopefully this helps to make the processing costs more transparent. All you need is some help knowing where to go and when, and you will need someone with you who speaks Spanish.


Comment #9
12/12/10 00:59
Rehmat

"Hussain"

I need residency for uruguay

Comment #10
12/12/10 01:04
Rubina

"Hussain"

please send me all information for immigration in uruguay thank you

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Comment #11
12/13/10 05:38
TotalUruguay.com
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Thank author of this post/comment"Information is here"

Doug basically covered it in reply #8 here. Click on "expat book" in the top menu for more details.

Expert Page: Quick Tips for Getting Settled in Uruguay


Comment #12
04/10/11 02:19
S. Mississippi
Thank author of this post/comment"you mentioned living here"

What do you consider the best of living here?

You also mentioned the cost of living - - elaborate please.

Also, how much of the paperwork, translations, FBI check can be done by

the honorary UY embassies here in the states?

There is one about 100 miles from me.

When I had a contract with the military it took about 6 weeks to get the background check completed here. You mean UY is really slower? Lol!

It is even funnier because I was with law enforcement at the time and it only takes a few seconds to do a background check and wants and warrants on NCIC. Believe me - i've done thousands.


Comment #13
04/21/11 22:44
new jersey
Thank author of this post/comment"how long you need t live there "

how long you have to stay in uruguay not to lose your immigration status?

Comment #14
10/03/11 16:18
london
Thank author of this post/comment"DETAILS"

please give me details about HOW TO MIGRATE IN URUGUAY.

THANKS.


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Comment #15
10/03/11 16:57
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Thank author of this post/comment"Free EBook"

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Comment #16
10/07/11 06:51
Coastal Uruguay
Thank author of this post/comment"International Dreaming"

Just rename that publication 'International Dreaming' in your mind and you're on the right track. Good for inspiration, but for information better for jokes among expats.

We used a facilitator to get our cedulas in Montevideo. Without very good Spanish, I can't imagine doing it on my own. If you're moving to Maldonado/PdE on the other hand, it's quite feasible.

Here's the procedure, for example, for getting a Permiso de Reingreso (with provisional cedula, the document you need to come back into the country):

Montevideo:

1. Go to back of the office. Take a number. Eventually you will be able to talk to someone. They'll give you a piece of paper.

2. Take it to the cashier and be done with it? WRONG! Go wait in line at the entrance for the receptionist to give you another number, to wait for the desks on the left.

3. When your number comes up, they'll produce your permiso and ask you to review it.

4. Go pay at cashier.

5. Wait for your name to be called by another dour individual, who will give you the document.

Total time last I did it: almost two hours.

Maldonado:

1. Wait your turn. Person takes your data, produces document, takes your money, gives you receipt and doc, and you're out the door.

Total time last I did it: ten minutes. (At Carrasco airport it's equally fast, but you can;t get your cedula there ;-)


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