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Article: Oct 2011: Uruguay: How to obtain Residency, Citizenship and a Second PaThis forum post has messages dated from 10/14/11 through 11/06/11, please be sure to read all the messages. If you feel it is old or outdated, please follow up with a question or comment and someone may be able to update it, or reply with newer information if you have it.
| Article: Oct 2011: Uruguay: How to obtain Residency, Citizenship and a Second Pa Uruguay is an open country to foreign citizens: not only for those doing business or buying property, but also for those seeking residency.Read the complete article here: |
| "Second Passport"
I hear so many people talking about second passports. I hear about how easy it is in Uruguay. Yet, not one person I've spoken today, or that I've chatted with online has been nationalized in Uruguay.I am referring, of course, to Americans, or others that have no family ties to Uruguay. Is it so easy? Why aren't there a lot of Uruguayans carrying Americans around? |
Comment #210/14/11 15:45Rural east Colonia departmento | "Nor have I"
I am already multi-passported so I have no need for Uruguayan citizenship. From what people tell me, after 3 or 5 years of legal residency here (depending on your marital status, ) immigrants can apply for citizenship. This involves taking an oath on one particular day of the year and undergoing various legal processes.The drawback to citizenship over mere residency is a greater world-wide tax liability if/when Lorenzo (Min of Finance) ever pulls his finger out and puts the new tax laws which were passed last December into effect. Legally resident non-citizens get the vote after 15 years so unless you really need a Uru passport for some reason, it seems to involve a lot of hoop-jumping and extra tax liabilities for little advantage. When I first arrived I considered applying for citizenship but all my local friends and neighbours told me that I'd be crazy to do so. I've yet to meet a person who has gone through the process. Ernesto who owns the next-door farm to me is an Italian who moved here in 1947 aged 6. He is still an Italian even though he looks and sounds like a Uruguayo :-) |
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| "SS and citizenship"
Wlto....i am somewhat taken aback on your comment and would very much like the link to where you got your info. There are non-citizens living in the US who get S/security and i know that there are non-citizens who have returned to their homeland of Mexico who get their S.S. I don't see how changing one's citizenship would make a difference. |
| "U.S. S.S."
I too would like to learn more about this. There were even Soviet citizens collecting while living in Russia and I know Thai citizens collecting it. If you earn it, you should be able to collect it anywhere. As long as it stays solvent:( |
Comment #711/02/11 07:58Rural east Colonia departmento | "UK pensions"
The UK pays the state old age pensions to those who have reached the required age and have paid pensions contributions for 30 years or more regardless of where they are in the world. The only downside to not being a UK or an EU resident is that the pensions do not benefit from annual inflation increases if you live outside those areas. |
| "Receiving benefits if outside the United States"
See link below:"If you are a United States citizen, you can travel or live in most foreign countries without affecting your eligibility for Social Security benefits." The list of exceptions DOES NOT include Uruguay. "If you are not a United States citizen, the law requires us to stop your payments after you have been outside the United States for six consecutive calendar months unless you meet one of several exceptions in the law allowing your benefits to continue." Becoming a citizen of Uruguay and NOT being a US Citizen are two different things. Becoming a citizen of Uruguay and getting an Uruguayan passport does not affect your US Citizen. You would have to specifically renounced your US Citizenship. Therefore, simply getting Uruguayan Citizenship will not have any effective on a US Citizen's receipt of benefits while living in Uruguay for more than six months. Expert Page: Quick Tips for Getting Settled in Uruguay |
| "Six Month Rule Exemptions"
The link above has a calculator to see if "If you are not a United States citizen, the law requires us to stop your payments after you have been outside the United States for six consecutive calendar months unless you meet one of several exceptions in the law allowing your benefits to continue." Applies to you or not.I went through it and said I was NOT a US Citizen, that I WAS a citizen of Uruguay and that I planned to live in Uruguay and that my benefits were based on my earnings, and it told me: "As a citizen of this country Social Security payments will keep coming no matter how long you stay outside the United States as long as you are eligible for the payments." Expert Page: Quick Tips for Getting Settled in Uruguay |
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| "Income requirements now out of reach ? "
So then I understand it that nobody is disputing the "new" income requirements of $18, 000/year stated in the article ? There is a slight difference (like 300%) between $500 and $1500 a month income. If this is the case, then I might as well kiss off any permanent residency application with my meager SSI. |
| "Income Requirements"
Here is a link (in Spanish) to the Immigration website for the residency requirements:After they list the many kinds of income on may use, it states: "Todos los medios de vida deberán indicar monto mensual de ingresos - deberá ser suficiente para su manutención" Which roughly translates to: regardless of the type of income, you need to show the monthly amount, which needs to be sufficient for you to live. That is what an immigration consultant told me recently. That immigration was asking that you show enough income to live, and that the amount may vary depending on WHERE you are living and if you are with your family, single, etc. What is clear, is that there is a lack of clarity as compared to before. Of course it is NOT practical to live on US$500 a month. I'm not sure that US$1, 500 would be sufficient for the lifestyle most US expats are looking for. Another important issue to keep in mind is that US immigrants are in the minority. Even combined with Europeans, the combined group is still in the minority. In other words, most immigrants to Uruguay are probably not coming from a situation of "more", but rather looking for a better life (job) and therefore the issue of someone being able to support themselves is important. Hopefully, some other lawyers and consultants will participate and give some examples of what is being required of their clients. Expert Page: Quick Tips for Getting Settled in Uruguay |
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Comment #1711/03/11 10:45Rural east Colonia departmento | "Ouch!"
I'm very glad that I did the immigration procedure when the law just required proof of 500 U$S/month.OTOH before I moved to the ROU I put 14 important questions to the Uru consul in London. Of the 14 replies, 10 were completely wrong and the other 4 were wrong by being out of date. |
| "Reality"
Ouch but reality! Finally, Immigration and Uruguay realized that the cost of life was over $500/per month for years. They attracted all the pensioners from the world until now however today they cannot ''lie'' anymore. This is the new reality of the country. Costa Rica changed their requested monthly income to $1, 500 a while ago (if I am correct). Now..Uruguay will be equal to the others countries so they may expect a higher competition! |
Comment #1911/04/11 08:39Rural east Colonia departmento | "Reality -v- we don't care"
Having watched the uncertainty generated by Lorenzo's initial threats of double income taxing everything, of imposing capital taxes at a higher rate than current northern returns, of Juan Fischer's quasi-official calming noises along the lines of "he's not really going to tax you, " the watered down tax law passing through the legislature and of the subsequent non appearance of an administrative decree on the subject after another 11 months of waiting, I really do wonder whether or not the government cares a hoot about attracting foreigners to come and live here. To compound this by introducing further uncertainty about how much income is required seems madness to me.On the other hand, this is a democracy and the electors chose this government so even if its actions seem crazy to me, its their sandpit and their rules. I have come to the conclusion that the powers that be aren't hostile towards immigrants... they just don't care :-) |
| "Should I feel special ?"
Maybe this will help explain why those incessant references to the "middle class" during Obama's campaign speeches hardly phased me. Maybe I should also welcome those refugees from their former middle class to whatever that class is that I've existed in all my life. This class of mine must be very elusive. After all, Mr.Obama and all of our schooled politicians don't even seem to have a name for it. |
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